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Poster: cashel Date: Jul 19, 2004 11:38am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Exhibits supplied by the BRUTAL DICTATORSHIPS

The fascist nations(germany, italy, japan,etc) and communist nation of russia found the Fair to be a wonderful opportunity to display the strength and beauty of their regimes. To modern eyes, their displays as recorded by Medicus, may seem tawdry but I have no doubt that many visitors were impressed.

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Poster: ridetheory Date: Jul 19, 2004 12:44pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Exhibits supplied by the BRUTAL DICTATORSHIPS

Germany didn't have an exhibit at the 1939 New York World's Fair.

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Poster: cashel Date: Jul 19, 2004 1:21pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Exhibits supplied by the BRUTAL DICTATORSHIPS

Ridetheory. Thank you for correcting my error. Now I would like a list of those disgusting dictatorships that DID have displays at the fair. IN that year,1939, they were murdering countless innocent men ,women and children . I can only see their displays as examples of OBSCENITY

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Poster: ridetheory Date: Jul 19, 2004 1:56pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Exhibits supplied by the BRUTAL DICTATORSHIPS

The Japanese, Russian and Italian pavilions are in this Medicus film:

http://www.archive.org/movies/details-db.php?collection=prelinger&collectionid=38848a

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Poster: ridetheory Date: Jul 19, 2004 12:56pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Exhibits supplied by the BRUTAL DICTATORSHIPS

From a 1939 issue of "Architectural Forum":

JAPAN

Designed in an antique style, the Japanese pavilion is a massive, good-looking structure with few exhibits of interest within. The interiors shown here are from the separate Japanese exhibit on the Court of Peace, an engagingly furnished room with superlative photomurals.

ITALY

A curious perversion of classical precedent, the Italian building is dominated by the fair's highest waterfall topped by a figure oddly suggestive of Britannia. Inside, opening off a huge central hall are a series of alcoves featuring some of the most gaily designed exhibits in the Fair which seem ill at ease in their formal, heavy setting. The lush restaurant and bar on an upper floor repeat the design originally used in the S.S. Conte di Savoia.

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Poster: cashel Date: Jul 19, 2004 1:08pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Exhibits supplied by the BRUTAL DICTATORSHIPS

OK The critic from"archictectural forum" liked the japanese and italian displays. Perhaps they did not show him the typical art that was being produced by their artists to satisfy the aims of the rulers of those disgusting regimes. In that year, you can find the writings of RESPECTED CRITICS who were damning all IMPRESSIONIST ART as RUBBISH

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Poster: ridetheory Date: Jul 19, 2004 1:24pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Exhibits supplied by the BRUTAL DICTATORSHIPS

1939 was before the manifestations of those countries' evil became really obvious to the rest of the world, and since World's Fair exhibits are all pretty much the same (showing exports, traditional costumes, etc), they were judged in this case purely on their presentation. It's not like the Italian pavilion had exhibits of how brutal they were going to be in the upcoming war...

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Poster: ridetheory Date: Jul 21, 2004 8:43am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Exhibits supplied by the BRUTAL DICTATORSHIPS

I said, "1939 was before the manifestations of those countries' evil became really obvious to the rest of the world," and I'm going to admit that I was off base on that one. More accurate to say that the evils of those regimes were becoming increasingly obvious. However, the exhibits where that was most obvious wouldn't be the pavilions of the evil countries, but the pavilions of the conquered countries.

The rest of my argument still stands.

Anyway, off-topic, but I do love to argue!

This post was modified by ridetheory on 2004-07-21 15:43:23

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Poster: cashel Date: Jul 19, 2004 9:15pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Fun in new york. But elsewhere Democracy fights for survival

Ridetheory......NONSENSE Even in 1933, REFUGEES were telling the world about the horrors of these regimes. It is a long time from 1933 to 1939. Count the days from 1933 to 1939 and mourn the deaths of so many innocents. This diminishes my pleasure in viewing the visitors who were just "having fun".

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Poster: ridetheory Date: Jul 19, 2004 2:05pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Exhibits supplied by the BRUTAL DICTATORSHIPS

Fine. Have it your way. Everyone at the Fair knew all about the brutal dictatorships, and they just blithely went about their day having fun looking at the pretty Fascist exhibits, choosing to ignore the evil empires. The whole affair was just dirty and tainted, and nobody should have been having any fun at all there.

Man, you're depressing. This film is about the AMUSEMENT ZONE!

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Poster: tambora Date: Jul 19, 2004 3:20pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: Exhibits supplied by the BRUTAL DICTATORSHIPS

Italy... we offer the most modern meathooks in the world!

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Poster: ridetheory Date: Jul 19, 2004 11:52pm
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: What could be more Democratic?

During WWII, Nazi sympathizers in Denmark known as the Quislings chose Tivoli Gardens amusement park as a target, and burned several of the major buildings down in an effort to break the Danes' spirit. Within two weeks, temporary buildings went up, and the park re-opened. In the face of an oppressive regime, the most defiant act was to go to a public gathering place and have fun. To hell with the Nazis, the Danes said, we're going on a roller coaster!

The NY World's Fair was the last fling of 1930s optimism before a very dark time in Europe's history. I have read a great deal about it, and while almost all historians acknowledge the looming shadow of war which hung over the Fair, not one of them implies that people shouldn't have attended and had fun. Except you, and you're just trying to get my goat. It's not going to work. The Fair was a beautiful dream just before a horrible nightmare, and if you want to sit and stew and be sad about that contrast, go right ahead. It's a surly, adolescent, contrarian attitude, but be my guest. By your same logic, people shouldn't have enjoyed 1939's "Wizard of Oz", because the newsreel before it showed a Nazi rally.

http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/pics8/IgnatzTopolinoTN/_ridetheorywithbd.html

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Poster: cashel Date: Jul 20, 2004 3:31am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: What could be more Democratic?

You have demanded a reply.(I would have been contented to have remained silent having given my opinions).THE comparison with Denmark is STUPID. The Danes were aconquered people stripped of their freedom and facing DEATH if they voiced opposition. the only common feature were the presence of Nazi sympathisers. In New York, the Quislings had their large rallies(public meetings) and were supported by very influential citizens). In 1939, the New yorkers were well-fed , getting prosperous(in part due to their neutrality)and could speak freely. To say that the Fair was the last fling for usa people is to ignore the hundreds of days ,from 1939 to 1941, when the New Yorkers basked in their well-fed , neutrality- fed prosperity and freedoms. -If this had been a USA small town FAIR i would have appreciated the people,s enjoyment. But The N>Y Fair was a huge national event,concerned with money and power. I have no more time to allocation and APPEAL to Forum members for support .

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Poster: ridetheory Date: Jul 20, 2004 5:21am
Forum: movie_of_the_week Subject: Re: What could be more Democratic?

You have demanded a reply.(I would have been contented to have remained silent having given my opinions).

I have done no such thing. I have simply stated my opinions. I have, in a different forum, insisted that you explain your illogical statements, but not in this thread. This time, I just continued to post replies to you, and you think that means that I have "demanded a reply." I could care less if you reply, and quite frankly wish you would shut up, or at least stop steering the conversation away from this film about the AMUSEMENT ZONE.

THE comparison with Denmark is STUPID. The Danes were aconquered people stripped of their freedom and facing DEATH if they voiced opposition.

I only told the story to point out that people NEED to have fun in difficult times. The USA was coming out of a depression, people went out and had fun. People died before the 1939 fair, and after -- including a lot of Americans who went overseas to fight the very countries you're so wound up about. As you watch the Medicus films, and see young men strolling about, bear in mind that it's quite likely that some of them died on D-Day. And a lot of the women went to work in factories. Nothing wrong with them taking some time out for fun before rolling up their sleeves and kicking some Axis ass. If you don't like the length of time it took America to get involved in the war, maybe you should build a time machine and go back and grab all their lapels and scream in their faces.

The fact that some evil governments had exhibits at the 1939 fair is just your excuse to get all wound up again. (And, I might add, those pavilions aren't even in this particular Movie-of-the-Week.) This whole thread is yet another example of you trolling to get a fight started. (It worked, and I'm enjoying it.)

In 1939, the New Yorkers were well-fed , getting prosperous(in part due to their neutrality)and could speak freely.

Agreed. And going to a fair is a reflection of that prosperity and freedom, and it just amazes me that you're ticked off at people for enjoying themselves.

To say that the Fair was the last fling for usa people is to ignore the hundreds of days ,from 1939 to 1941, when the New Yorkers basked in their well-fed , neutrality- fed prosperity and freedoms.

No, it isn't. It's not the same thing at all. Some New Yorkers ignored the things you've mentioned, some were very concerned. (Read 1939: The Lost World of the Fair by David Gelernter if you think that New Yorkers weren't worried about the rise of Fascism.)

-If this had been a USA small town FAIR i would have appreciated the people,s enjoyment. But The N>Y Fair was a huge national event,concerned with money and power.

Oh, I see; it's just a matter of degree, not actual principle with you. County fair, okay -- World's Fair, not okay? What about a state fair? How about Coney Island? The 1939 San Francisco Exposition wasn't a huge, national affair, more of a large, statewide event -- would that be okay?

You just want to look at people having fun and complain about it, because it's not your kind of fun. And your angle is that by having fun, fairgoers were somehow ignoring the evils of Russia, Japan and Germany. That's a load of malarky, and you know it, unless of course you can read the minds of people on 70-year-old film. "That guy, right there! He's thinking bad thoughts!"

I have no more time to allocation and APPEAL to Forum members for support .

Anyone? Support for Cashel's position?

This post was modified by ridetheory on 2004-07-20 12:21:59

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